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Euphoria
7th May 2007, 17:14
I recently got a graphics tablet (http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=3P95&CategorySelectedId=11120&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11120,50214,4294960426,11&InMerch=1) and I've tried to get it to work in Half Life 2 because i'm curious about it. Only problem is (after you work out how to look around controllably) I can't find out out to shoot with pen.

Anyone got any suggestions?

Daedalus
7th May 2007, 17:30
bind x "+attack"

In the console. ;)

ivar
7th May 2007, 17:36
It's kinda uncomfortable in my mind. Doesn't have the right feel to it when you play with a pen. I've tried counter-strike and GTA. Not good : D

My tablet has this option in the preferences, that lets you choose what action with the pen(or its buttons) causes what action in the PC/Mac.
Like if you apply pressure, it reacts like 2 right mouseclicks. So maybe you can have it in the game like that. Maybe.

Noir
7th May 2007, 18:54
surely you tap the pad, which is left click... if you have difficulites with the screen being the pad, just switch it to mouse mode

on an aside, as my mouse is fucked, i play my mmo's with my intuos all the time :D

Paegus
7th May 2007, 21:59
rts games can be quite fun with a tablet in absolute mode. but fps types need relative mode otherwise it's too joysticky with its maximum turn rate.

Knigh7s
8th May 2007, 02:29
I never really liked playing fps with the tablet. I used to play Starcraft with the tablet, and it was awsome, much more control, but It just doesnt feel right with fps.

Mr. Bottomhat
8th May 2007, 13:14
What about playing an FPS with a touch screen like they have in museum computers? Wouldn't that own face?

Paegus
8th May 2007, 15:21
maximum rate of turn says: no

Daedalus
8th May 2007, 15:21
What about playing an FPS with a touch screen like they have in museum computers? Wouldn't that own face?

No, I couldn't really see what I'm shooting at. :(

Demented
8th May 2007, 20:09
It'd only work with those console games that let you aim the gun without moving the viewscreen. Combine with mouse for turning and you won't have enough fingers left to move!

Cyborg
9th May 2007, 01:53
fps games were designed to work with the mouse. nothing else will work as well, imo, unless we get something crazy like thought interpretation...

btw, does anyone think that we will see practical thought-controlled PCs or something similar in our lifetimes?

Ging
9th May 2007, 02:31
btw, does anyone think that we will see practical thought-controlled PCs or something similar in our lifetimes?

Depends on what you mean by "practical" - there's been good progress made in this particular area of research, but it's got a long way to go still before you'll see it appearing on the high street.

Cyborg
9th May 2007, 08:18
Depends on what you mean by "practical" - there's been good progress made in this particular area of research, but it's got a long way to go still before you'll see it appearing on the high street.


i mean publicly available and integrated into consumer products like a PC.

imagine that... a computer that interfaces directly with your brain! no screen, no input devices. just a cool looking device that sits in your pocket or on your desk. weird!

Demented
9th May 2007, 09:56
After the nth time someone ends up at a random porn site the moment they log on, that fad will die off FAST.

Chas0r
9th May 2007, 09:58
imagine that... a computer that interfaces directly with your brain! no screen, no input devices. just a cool looking device that sits in your pocket or on your desk. weird!
I've seen some console game that uses your brain waves as an input. You had to put a single electrode on your head that just measured how much you concentrate. Related to that, you get benefits in the game - say, drive faster. Pretty ridiculous.

For fututre input on computers, there'll be a couple of other ways to make life easier. Like controlling things with gestures, your voice and your eyes. To be honest, I'd prefer it this way than Microsoft messing around in my brain :)

Paegus
9th May 2007, 13:19
monkey > scientists : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-cpcoIJbOU

Zabiela
9th May 2007, 20:01
monkey > scientists : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-cpcoIJbOU

Thats pretty cool.

<Beatlemania>
9th May 2007, 22:41
you wanna see a real monkey? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gg5LOd_Zus)

Cyborg
10th May 2007, 03:04
monkey > scientists : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-cpcoIJbOU

hey thats crazy, that the brain actually realized that it could play without needing to move the joystick. but here's the weird thing... if the computer was interpreting the signals that the brain was giving to move the monkeys arms and the money clearly wasn't moving his arm anymore, then wouldn't the brainwaves the brain was sending out change?

that would suggest that the computer had a fairly profound knowledge of the brain's signals, or perhaps the brain knew exactly what to tell the computer.... dun dun dun!

Paegus
10th May 2007, 12:01
i'd guess a combination of both. the computer had been reading the brain signals for ages. and i don't recall them specifically mentioning how long the monkey had been playing the relatively simple game. either way at some point the monkeys realized that his arm and the robot arm where slightly different. the thing that gets me is how was the arm being controlled in the first place? it couldn't have been pure brainwaves so it was backed up with the joystick initially. i can't really see how they weren't trying to get this exact result.

Ging
10th May 2007, 15:09
Interesting read for this sort of subject is "I, Cyborg (http://www.amazon.co.uk/I-Cyborg-Kevin-Warwick/dp/0252072154/ref=sr_1_2/026-4808045-6687600?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178805921&sr=8-2)", the author Kevin Warwick had a chip implanted into a nerve in his forearm and used the data received to perform a number of experiments (the most fascinating of which has to be the echolocation).

It goes a long way to showing that the brain is hugely adaptive and can quickly figure out new inputs / outputs - I've no doubt that the monkeys brain did a similar thing.

Paegus
10th May 2007, 15:59
hmm well i've little objection to neural output but the input bit i find somewhat daunting. if you think a computer with a virus is annoying imagine your best mate coming down with a nice case of h23.r@ge.6 and the immensely irritating impulse to buy poptarts whenever physically possible.
unfortunately input is required for proper prosthetics in the form of sensory feedback so i guess it's bound to happen sometime.

Demented
10th May 2007, 16:24
Ah, but we assure you it's perfectly safe! :p
If you could lock someone into suffering immense pain for the rest of their life, that'd be an interesting punishment. At least, to bored dictators looking for another way to deal with political enemies.

Euphoria
10th May 2007, 18:27
Ah, but we assure you it's perfectly safe! :p
If you could lock someone into suffering immense pain for the rest of their life, that'd be an interesting punishment. At least, to bored dictators looking for another way to deal with political enemies.

You can only watch someone scream and roll in agony for so long.... a more interesting one would be filling a room with people and being able to make any number of them become instantly homicidal towards any other person(s) in the room. Oh, and leave random weapons around like chainsaws, walking sticks, and rolling pins :D.

Paegus
10th May 2007, 18:55
and here all i want is to have my hands completely free while browsing the internet... is that too much to ask?

Demented
10th May 2007, 19:05
Yup!

I wouldn't mind being able to use the internet while I'm walking everywhere. Though, driving and internet using could have interesting results.

Daedalus
10th May 2007, 19:20
Yup!

I wouldn't mind being able to use the internet while I'm walking everywhere. Though, driving and internet using could have interesting results.

Driving while talking on the cell phone sounds dangerous enough, meaning I'd like to see you drive and read stuff on the internet with your mind at the same time. :D

Mayhem
10th May 2007, 21:36
Driving while talking on the cell phone sounds dangerous enough, meaning I'd like to see you drive and read stuff on the internet with your mind at the same time.

I really thought we were talking bout porn.

Daedalus
11th May 2007, 12:45
I really thought we were talking bout porn.

Even better, you'd veer off the road in the first 2 minutes.

Paegus
11th May 2007, 13:00
the funner question here is would the car even have a steering wheel and pedals? does it count as driving if you're just sitting there twiddling your thumbs? or perhaps your invalid mother is actually driving the car remotely from her nursing home in order to compensate you for the money you spend on her care because she didn't have the foresight and ingenuity to save up for it herself...

Daedalus
11th May 2007, 14:38
the funner question here is would the car even have a steering wheel and pedals? does it count as driving if you're just sitting there twiddling your thumbs? or perhaps your invalid mother is actually driving the car remotely from her nursing home in order to compensate you for the money you spend on her care because she didn't have the foresight and ingenuity to save up for it herself...

The car still has a steering wheel and pedals since you didn't have enough money to buy a new and advanced one since you wasted all of your money on mind-controlled internet. :p